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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.02.22 13:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:So let's focus on talking about ways to fixing those problems. Let's focus on fixing the things that are actually broken for the people who live & work out there everyday and thus have to deal with it everyday. Ok. One of the main problems with null is the unbeatable baseline that highsec provides. That baseline has to come down to more reasonable levels in terms of availability, cost, ease of use and logistics. Fixing null requires nerfing highsec, because highsec is one of the root causes of the problems with null.
You might as well be talking to an actual brick wall when trying to penetrate high sec layers self interest.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.02.22 13:58:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:admiral root wrote:Nullsec can't be fixed in isolation to the rest of the game. This. That.
I'm not your Guy, buddy...
Crap, wrong meme, sorry.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Onomerous wrote:Why are so many people advocates of crapping in everyone else's sandbox because their sandbox is full of crap? GǪwhich is why people get so confused when I make those suggestions, rather than the nullseccers 
No, they don't get confused, you are obvioulsy just a goon/test/some other boogeyman alt and thus easily dismissed without going through the pain of actually using words and logic.
Quote:Quote:I'm for an Eve where all 4 types of space can play and have fun without advocating killing Eve for others... sheesh you peeps are butt hurt. But then again, the only ones really advocating killing EVE for others are the bearsGǪ
There is that imaginary bubble that you (tippia) talked about. It's one of the basic differences between high sec players and everyone else and a cause of much of the forum conflict.
"Everyone else" sees EVE as an interconnected whole, where everything affects everything. The high sec crowd sees things as "sections", as if they are independent of each other.
That's why I never use the terms "nullseccers", "lowsecers" or "wormholers" (the last of which sound erotic and nasty at the same time). To me there are High Sec only (or EVE-lite) players and "full" EVE players who play everywhere including high sec.
I have no problem with the EVE-lite players so long as they understand they are choosing to play a pvp based game.
And i posted this while in a High Sec Vanguard fleet ... |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:01:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: To me there are High Sec only (or EVE-lite) players and "full" EVE players who play everywhere including high sec.
I have no problem with the EVE-lite players so long as they understand they are choosing to play a pvp based game.
EVE-lite is a fairly spot on description of highsec. Its what I engage in when in a more relaxed mood, preferring to listen to tunes and tab browse a bit while playing, instead of listening to fleet comms, clicking dscan, checking local, etc. Like a quiet night down the pub sipping a pint or two, instead of doing 5 shots then hitting the dance floor. You can close all the pubs in town, but you won't get too many old fogies to hit the nightclub instead.
No one's trying to close the pubs (ie force anyone do do anything), we're saying that all the pubs are giving out free drinks, the night clubs aren't the problem.....
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:17:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Takseen wrote:Tippia wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:High sec is ok, buff null. Highsec is not ok. It makes buffing null both futile and impossible. Only if you want to try to make it have its own industrial base, instead of just using highsecs. What are the actual gameplay advantages of having people making some/all of the stuff in null? - properly gradiates levels of risk and reward for industrial activity along the lines of resource extraction-activities - enforces the idea that nullsec alliance actively patrol, utilize and occupy their space - opens nullsec to manufacturers and builders due to necessity on the part of the nullsec alliances - allieviates direct competition between newbie industrialists and industrialists with enormous levels of experience and cumulative resources. I've never said nullsec should have 'all' industrial activity, just the amount needed to sustain its own wars and conflicts while having enough of an efficiency/capacity advantage over highsec to make it worth doing for the small-scale industrialists
But but, if you do that , it will hurt my business making money in the safety of high sec, and since I'm the only person that exists, hurting me would be bad.
Oh wait, sry, thought I was a high sec poster for a second, carry on. |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:32:00 -
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Tesal wrote:Tippia wrote:Tesal wrote:Or they get blobbed by a super coalition of 15,000 people and get kicked out of null and all their industrial slots go to the enemy. That's been more the case in recent history. No, it really hasn't. If nothing else because there are no industrial slotsGǪ At least with a proper null backbone, there would be something easy to target to break that coalition apart. Right now, there's very little that can be done along those lines. The only way to beat a super coalition is with another super coalition. A Goon or Test industrial backbone would be extremely difficult to harass or pick apart.
As opposed to the Goon and TEST industrial backbone in high sec that is protected by CONCORD?
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You are willfully ignoring the problem.
You're willfully ignoring reality.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:43:00 -
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Tesal wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
You're willfully ignoring reality.
The point was made by Tippia that industry in null would lead to more pvp. My point is that it won't, it would be a source of strength for the big guys, not a weakness to be exploited.
How exactly?
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.02.23 03:55:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Nexus Day wrote:We all play different games.
Try to enjoy yours. Kind of sick of seeing this. No, we do not play different games. It's the same game, with the same rules, and the same economy. You are not the no impact man just because you fly arund high sec, shooting rocks.
You will never convince them of that, despite the fact that CCP advertises EVE as a single shard universe. High Sec people are ery good at seeing only that which pleases them, and with the exception of rare (in the grand scheme of things) suicide gank, the game lets them keep on believing what they want without consequence.
In low, null and wormholes, the guy who sees what he wants rather than what is doesn't last long. in high it's a way of life.
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